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May 26
2009
06:43 PM ET
'Terminator Salvation': The shocking, bummer of an ending you didn't see!
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Darth Davidious I understand your confusion about the time paradox or the Causality Loop that’s used in the series. It’s a difficult concept to swallow. Like I said before, if time travel were possible it would in fact prove that time is non linear. Since we perceive time as being linear it’s almost impossible for us to understand this. That’s why everything we assume about time travel is only theory and not fact. We don’t have the ability to understand it. Unless we evolve to a higher state of being we probably never will. The writers of the Terminator series are only human and humans are flawed. So of course there’s going to be plot holes. There always are in stories dealing with time travel. You just need to have a suspension of disbelief. I have two links that you really should check out that may help you understand better…
http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Predestination_paradox
and
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0438488/board/thread/138997539?d=138997539&p=1#138997539
I don’t have any confusion about your opinion. I understand what you’re trying to say. With that said, it’s ridiculous for you to state your theory would prove to be true if time travel were possible. For the simple fact: you can’t prove it unless time travel were possible.
Likewise, just because James Cameron allegedly said Kyle Reese was meant to be the father, doesn’t mean we have to agree to that logic.
After all, by your own admission, he and the writers are human and humans are flawed. Everything you or Cameron says about time travel is just opinion or fiction, not fact.
Me? I would agree more with the Back to the Future theories on time travel and a paradox if one were to exist.
We’ll have to agree to disagree: I say Kyle altered history by becoming John’s father and others say he was always meant to be his father. I just happen to believe the “Reese always being John’s daddy” theory has too many plot holes and is too far fetched to believe, even when it’s just fiction.
I never said that my opinion is fact. I even say in my post that nothing about time travel is fact. All we have are theories. The only thing I was trying to do is just try to put a perspective on the theory that Cameron used for the first Terminator. If in the end you choose to believe something else I respect that.
Actually, you’re the one that’s wrong “filmguy”, you either missed or hated the movie “Watchmen”! Your rant that Science Fiction films are at an all time low and that there is no originality in any of it any more is very simply Nonsense, you can’t get much more original then “Watchmen”, a script that was optioned by the Studio’s over 20 yrs ago!
I never thought I would live to see the day that it would filmed and I would see the result on the “Silver Screen” and the story not be Butchered in the Writing and Directing Process!
There’s originality all over the place, just look at “Transformers”, that movie could not have been made 25 yrs ago which brings us to “Terminator Salvation”, a franchise that is 25 yrs old!
It says something about the “Terminator Franchise” that it’s popularity is as strong today as it was 25 yrs ago! The same can be said of “Star Trek” whose popularity is as strong today as it was 45 yrs ago!
Remember the demographics, these movies are made for men 18-35!
We’re no longer in that demographic “filmguy”!
I think the alternate ending would be cool. However, I speak for myself, I’ve come to love the characters, John Connor and Sarah Connor. It would be a real shame if they didn’t win.
According to T3, John Connor dies at some point at the hands of a Terminator and Sarah Connor dies of cancer but we do win the war against the machines. Kyle Reese says so in T1.
A physics major, a father, a husband, a sci-fi lover………… a disappointed fan!
This was a great opportunity, missed, and if we “return to London”, I think I might have to just let go.
this movie was amazing
As far as the comments about rainbows shooting out of bodily orifices go . . . is the premise of the Terminator series – where 6 billion+ people die in a fiery holocaust – not dark enough for some of you pretentious latte-drinkers? I mean, whoa.
Given the amount of discrepancies that would crop up between it and the past 3 movies, I’d say there’d be a whole vault of worms. It would have ended up worse than RotM, been McG’s “Uwe Boll moment” where he brutally raped the series into oblivion, and been a massive F*U to the fans. I imagine if it were shown in the theaters, the oxygen would have shot out of the room so fast it’d be like a decompressive explosion into space.
So yeah. I’m glad they went with the ending that was in the final release.
I don’t know who’s fault this was – ‘McG’ (jesus, what a name), or the studio, or bloggers, or whoever…but the abandoned ending would have made sense out of the enormous plot holes in the theatrical release and to me would have almost entirely redeemed the film. so yes, he blew it.
Yes indeed. But look at it this way:
There are alternate realities going on here. I’m thinking > Why couldn’t Salvation just be the reality we saw in the first movie ever made, with Arnold. Looking at it like that, but from T-4′s point of view. The next Salvation is 20 year old Connor going THROUGH the worldwide massacre, not after it. Through it. Him seeing bombs drop, him getting the balls to lead on a “Resistance”, you know. Or it could be like that anyways, with Connor still being alive.
The idea behind time travel is a slippery slope. Basically the idea is that Sarah, in the original timeline grew up, had John, the blast happens she and he survives. She teaches him to be strong. She dies from cancer. He goes on to lead the resistance.
Next, you have T1 where in the original timeline the machines have created time travel and the t-800. They send it back in time to kills Sarah before john is born. Kyle Reese at this time is given a picture of Sarah so that he can mark the target. He gets sent back in time. Now, this not only changes the timeline, but also makes Kyle Reese john’s father.
Further changing the future by allowing Sarah to help her son prepare. however two things are set up here. Sarah is deemed crazy and subnet gains the technology faster. These things would have spelt Gg for skynet but t2 happens. Thus resting skynet a little and setting john up for being able to learn again. Anyway, those are my thoughts…
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