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Nov 30 2009 04:45 PM ET

Edward Cullen, stalker? Yes, but so is the hero of 'The Graduate'

Is Bella Swan an independent and sort of daring young lovesick renegade…or a doormat? A good role model…or a godawful role model? Or should she Read the full post.

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  • Ryan

    Felicity was totally a stalker! I loved her to death, but she followed Ben from one coast to the other because of something he wrote in her yearbook. That is nutballs crazy!

    • Felicity

      Why did no one notice all that time that Felicity was a BPD freako??

  • April

    Mr. Gleiberman, I just want you to know that I laughed harder at this article than I have laughed in a very long time. Thank you for that, and thank you for calling out absurdity when you see it. :)

    • Liz

      Thank you, April! I was really worried when I read the other posts that no-one caught the humor of this article. I will admit I had to read several of them before I caught the tongue-in-cheekiness of Owen’s posting. While we can all construe various interpretations from whichever scene in whichever movie, sometimes a movie is just a movie. Pure entertainment.

  • Marten

    I’m sorry. I don’t think I quite get this article. You list a bunch of movies which DO all show signs of stalker behavior and domestic abuse, and even domestic rape, so therefore your argument is “If The Graduate and Gone with the Wind exploited illegal behavior, it’s ok for Twilight to”? Now I’m not saying Twilight can’t use stalking or domestic abuse if it fits the characters and story. I mean there’s TONS more movies out there that use those things, and in this country they’re allowed to. So is Twilight. But it just seems odd to validate Edward’s actions because the hideously abusive Jake La Motta did a lot worse in Raging Bull, or because Heathcliff was an abusive, stalking monster throughout Wuthering Heights, or because Rhett Butler raped Scarlett O’Hara in Gone with the Wind and then Stanley Kowalski raped Blanche DuBois in Streetcar Named Desire. The difference is you don’t have thousands of 10, 11, 12, and 13 year old girls cutting themselves and doing other self-destructive behavior in order to get with Stanley Kowalski or Jake La Motta, or even Ben Braddock, and day dreaming about being in such abusive relationships. But again Stephenie Meyer can write her characters how ever she wants, and the movie can market itself to tween girls cause that’s it’s demo. But I just think it’s odd you’re standing up for domestic abuse because of other movies with domestic abuse.

    • ash

      EW editor. Fire Glieberman and hire marten as his replacement.

      • Marten

        Thanks ash. I wanted to add some more comments to this as well. Owen, in your article you talk about how vampires stalk people. It’s the natural thing for them to do. And you point a finger at Dracula and say “See! There’s a vampire who stalks people too! It’s natural!” Fine. It’s natural for vampires to stalk people. But are you saying that Dracula is the equivalent vampire to Edward or should be? Dracula is a villain. He never loves any of them women he mind controls with his magic powers and then rapes and eats. Dracula isn’t attempting to protect Lucy or the other characters in the book, and never (in the book) claims to love any of them. Edward, on the other hand, is supposedly in love with Bella, yet treats her with abusive behavior and you’re saying that’s ok because other vampires do it. Dracula and Edward are not in the same situation. Again Edward can do whatever Stephenie Meyer wants him to do. He’s a fictional character. But your article reads like your defending Edward’s abuse of Bella because one of the greatest villains in literature also treated women badly. Plus you talk about how your list is of “heroes” who treat women badly and then you list Tom Powers (one of AFI’s 50 greatest Villains of all time). How does that work? Plus when was Broadcast News’s staff relations on par with domestic violence and terrorism? How does King Kong (another villain) equate to Edward’s treatment of the woman he “loves”? Or playing “In Your Eyes” equal the same thing as almost killing your girlfriend on your first date and making her afraid of your reaction to finding out she hung out with friends? When was Jimmy Stewart ever anything but a man going through serious psychosis and trauma and CLEARLY in the wrong when it doomed Kim Novak to her death? When is it not clear in The Graduate that everything Ben is doing he’s doing out of rebellion rage and in the end regrets? None of these examples are of “heroes,” or if they are you’re blowing up their actions to try and show the flaw in our thinking Edward is being abusive. You even comment that we’re being the “love police.” Well, I got to say a) we’re not, Bella and Edward can be in love, so can anyone, but when a woman is a clear victim in her relationship, we stand up for her. And b) actual police would have arrested Edward years ago for his abusive behavior. Bella’s father would in reality have the guy in handcuffs in a second. Movies have been violent and degrading towards women since their invention. But since about the 70′s there’s been feminist reaction and now we have more equal partner relationships in movies then ever before. Movies can and do still depict couples where the woman is treated unfairly, or the guy. But these are usually now seen as “warning” movies. Like “little girls, don’t go out with men like Tom Powers or they’ll beat you.” Or you have movies like Mask where Jim Carrey treats Cameron Diaz well, while her ex, Peter Greene, treats her like dirt. However in Twilight the guy treating her like dirt is the good guy. Again, it’s just weird that you’re defending degrading women, abusing them, and teaching our children that it’s ok to keep your boy/girlfriend from seeing their friends, using examples that don’t correlate well at all with the subject, and trying to make fun and make light of violence against women. And lastly Sound of Music is not an example of coercive sexual harassment as no one was coerced. Maria and Count Von Trapp both fell in love with each other the moment they meet, the act of coercing never occurs.

      • suprasf

        How is Edward abusive to Bella? He protects her, he doesn’t want to change her cause he wants her to keep her soul and not be damned, he doesn’t want her hanging out with a wolf boy that’s in love with her and trying to steal her away.
        So if your saying protecting the person you love and not wanting them to hang out with someone who is trying to steal them away from you is abusive than I think 98% of everyone in the world is abusing the one they love. I have no problem with my boyfriend protecting me and out of respect to him I don’t hang out with guys who wanna date me. The problem is Bella if she’s in love with Edward than she shouldn’t want to hang out with some other guy who she knows wants her and will do anything for her and do anything to win her seems like she is kinda using Jacob. It’s annoying how she wants her cake and to eat it too. When I was in high school people would call someone like Bella a whore so go ahead and stand up for her. Oh and keep in mind it’s just a fantasy story people.

  • Moi

    None of these examples make Edward any less creepy. They just make it all the more obvious that there is something wrong with our culture’s romantic fantasies. Give me a man whose presence makes me a better, stronger person – and never, ever stands in my room watching me sleep without my permission.

    • Alexandria

      Hear hear!

    • Alissa

      IAWTC!

    • Lynn

      Exactly. I’m not sure what the point of this article is. “Because Ben Braddock did it, it’s OK”? Um, no.
      Legions of teenage girls and their mothers aren’t salivating over Ben Braddock or Jake La Motta.
      Those films listed also, either outright or subtly, show some sort of awareness that what the character is doing is wrong. This could be any number of things — tragedy, not getting the girl, getting some sort of comeuppance, recognizing flaws and seeking redemption, etc. Twilight shows no such self-awareness. I’d even argue that it celebrates/apologizes for the behavior, rather than presenting it as something worrisome.

      • suprasf

        He’s not saying that it’s okay, he’s saying that no one had a cow about those movies showing abuse and now that Twilight is what number one everyone wants to complain. The point is that people who don’t like twilight are saying it’s abusive and they have a problem with it but because they liked those other movies no one complained about them and many of those movies are still people’s heroes and have done worse things than Edward.

    • Maureen

      AMEN!! :)

  • E

    Um, seriously, Owen? Do you actually think there’s anything romantic about Ben (take a girl to a strip club and sleep with her mother) Braddock or James Bond? Honestly? Sure, there’s line blurring, especially as the generations go by (Rhett Butler, I’m talking to you) but Bond has always been sexy, not romantic, and Braddock is just gross. And I can’t imagine anyone ever thought King Kong was normal. This is a good idea for a post, but you’re giving the impression that it’s silly to hold Edward to actual romantic standards. And that, in it’s turn, strikes me as pretty silly. These examples aren’t all equal – sometimes your critiques are exaggerated (Say Anything), and sometimes the movies just aren’t romantic.

    • crispy

      What, you don’t want to marry James Bond when you grow up?

    • Liz Lemmon

      I agree with you E, I feel like Owen was too eager to crank out another comment magnet Twilight article, he didn’t bother to do decent research…although I think Dirty Dancing was a good example.

  • Ambient Lite

    Owen, you just had to dredge this back up, didn’t you? Hoping for another 800 comment blockbuster, I’m sure.
    I know you’ll all call me stupid or retarded, for what I’m about to say, but at least I’m honest.
    I think that women want to feel secure, protected, loved, and cared for. This has nothing to do with the women’s rights movement, it has to do with our innate nature. Women should have equal civil and legal rights, but women and men are NOT the same.
    I think Stephanie Meyer intended for Edward to be a “perfect” answer for what many women would dream of in a romantic partner. She did an excellent job, that’s why so many women fell for him. Some of the the ways Edward’s character does this for Bella would be considered over the top – but to say that he’s a stalker (or abusive, as some have alleged) – is ridiculous.
    You can’t stalk someone who loves you and wants to be with you. Not to mention the fact that he never intends or plans to hurt her. They’re just dating.

    • Alissa

      for starters, he stalks her before she falls in love with him. and not INTENDING to hurt someone doesn’t change the fact that he does. moreover, I think it’s more that he’s emotionally abusive and controlling, not physically.

      • Ambient Lite

        Oh, give me a break. “Emotionally abusive and controlling”? This is insulting to people who have actually been in *real* abusive relationships. Outrageous.

      • crispy

        Are you talking about people who throw themselves off cliffs after they get dumped? Or are you talking about Bella?

      • Alissa

        he attempts to control where she goes and who she sees. he leaves her emotionally devastated because he decides she can’t handle things, not letting her make her own decision because he knows what’s best. he follows her around to “keep her safe”. even her visions of him in New Moon are controlling, telling her not to do certain things or go near certain people.

        I’m not saying it’s abusive as in she’s a battered housewife. I’m saying it’s abusive and controlling in an unhealthy manner that should not be presented as an ideal relationship to impressionable girls.

      • Ambient Lite

        I really hate this…defending fictional characters because you’re all taking it too seriously…but okay, here we go.
        He controls where she goes and who she sees because he’s concerned for her safety, usually pertaining to her relationship with Jacob – because he’s a new werewolf, dangerous and volatile.
        He leaves her emotionally devastated, not for his own benefit, but for her own good. I’m sure we all agree he’s not a good match for her. He realized that and loved her enough to let her go.
        I didn’t imply that you meant battered housewife. I think it’s inappropriate to imply that he was emotionally abusive, and when you do that, you belittle serious examples of abuse that REAL people suffer every day.
        And Crispy, I know you’ve never been a 17 year old girl after a breakup – I have. I would have probably flung myself off a cliff to see him again, but given my geographic location at the time, I had to settle for face-down in a cornfield.

      • @Ambient

        I’m sure many, MANY abusive/controlling boyfriends and husbands defend their sick behavior by saying that they’re “doing it for her own good,” “they have good intentions,” and they’re “just worried for her safety.”
        That’s the thing about good intentions, they pave the road to…well, you know.

      • Erm, no.

        YOU want to be protected by a man and made secure by a man. Speak for yourself. That’s not MY innate nature,and you certainly don’t speak for everyone with a vagina. Don’t project your own Electra complex or whatever the hell is wrong with you on all womankind.

      • Ambient Lite

        Oh, don’t get your plaid lumberjack panties in twist, I do not NEED to be cared for a man, I just enjoy it. A lot. This, by the way, in no way makes me dependent on a man. Quite the opposite really, the part I most enjoy is a man who enjoys me and likes to care for me.
        And I was speaking for myself – and likely many other women too. Obviously not you. And that’s okay.

      • @Ambient Lite

        They’re Hello Kitty panties.But thanks for playing. The problem for you is that if you actually WERE ever truly cared for by a man, you’d know how creepy and wrong Edward’s actions are.

      • Katie

        So if we DON’T want to be “taken care of” (read: stalked and controlled) by a man, that automatically makes us militant lumberjack-underwear-wearing feminists/lesbians? Way to generalize.

      • suprasf

        Bella fell in love with Edward the first time she saw him she obsessed over him. Than once Edward came back and realized that Bella felt the same way about him that’s when he started protecting her and watching her sleep. When I can’t sleep at night I sometimes watch my boyfriend sleep I think it’s cute and he does the same when he’s unable to sleep I guess that makes us stalkers oh and we both would do anything to protect each other and I wouldn’t want him hanging out with some girl that wanted to date him and he wouldn’t want me hanging out with some guy that wanted to date me I guess we’re abusive and controlling or maybe we’re just human. And any woman that says she doesn’t like a man to take care of her is lying unless she’s gay than she would want a woman to take care of her. I’m a strong woman who can support and take care of myself but I still like when my boyfriend takes care of me.

  • Melody Muse

    I did think Eddy was creepy cuz he watches you sleep.

  • jodipo

    The issue with Twilight is not Edward being a stalker, its his being controlling and Bella being a weak willed and minded idiot. The stalker part is irrelevant.

  • Jill

    EDWARD CULLEN IS A STALKER WHO STARES AT BELLA IN HER BED WHEN SHE SLEEPS AND STUFF!

  • Team Jacob

    Listen: Bella Swan is a doormat. Edward absolutely is a bully and would be every parent’s worst nightmare (completely setting aside that whole vampire thing!). Bella is nothing like a role model. Sure, the other movies you’ve listed contain acts of misogyny and stalking, but when is it ever a good idea to teach teenage girls that the only way to become a woman is to have a baby…and to be happy to give up your life doing it? Wrong!

    • Lynn

      That’s another thing that bothered me. This elevation of Bella above the other women in the series because of her pregnancy and marriage, inspiring such jealousy in Rosalie and Leah. I’m surprised that no one mentions this more, because it seems to suggest that you’re not a “real” woman unless you’re married and/or a mother.
      That’s not even mentioning Bella’s willingness to die for the demon hellspawn (admittedly, her decision) or Edward’s insistence that she abort, to the point of letting Jacob have sex with her in return for Jacob convincing her to terminate the pregnancy.

  • MJ

    First, only one or two of the movies you mention portray the relationship at hand as ” true love.” Have you watched the Graduate? It’s not about seeking out your eternal love, I promise. Also, your argument is extremely logically flawed. The fact that there are some sexist elements in celebrated movies does not excuse sexist elements in Twilight. At all.

    Secondly, I have no problem with disturbing elements in film. I like real, non-sparkling vampires. But the problem is when the obsessive lust/stalking is portrayed as love. And lastly you should really read the books before you defend the series.

    • MJ

      Also, the fact that Edward who controls who Bella is allowed to speak to, doesn’t let her drive herself, constantly mocks her and puts her down, constantly makes threatening comments to her, etc. is much more of the problem than is him watching her while she sleeps.

      • suprasf

        When does Edward put Bella down he is always telling her how great he thinks she is? He doesn’t let her drive because he knows he’s a safer driver than her and doesn’t want her getting hurt in an accident. He doesn’t threaten her he just tells her how dangerous it is for her to be around him which is the truth.

  • Molly

    Despite your obvious sarcasm, the Edward/Bella dynamic is deeply disturbing. They’re selling a book to young girls where a boyfriend whose constantly tempted to kill his girlfriend is romantic, not to mention the watching her sleep before they even start dating, or her ridiculous obsession with him, or him acting like her warden

    • Quinn

      He’s a %#(@% VAMPIRE! I think most young girls/women know the difference between the cute guy who sits behind them in Geometry and a mythical, fictional non-human VAMPIRE.

  • bella

    How sad is it that you are a grown man who is admitting to being a fan of Twilight?!

    • suprasf

      So guys can’t like Twilight? I know a ton of guys who like it.

  • Molly

    Oh and Pretty Woman is a really mysogynistic film. But thanks for the snark. Really

  • vanessa

    Guy’s, it’s a movie! It’s fiction! We’re not expected to model our lives after it. We’re just supposed to watch it, read it, enjoy it, take a short break from reality and then-GET OVER IT!

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