Image Credit: Laurie Sparham; Chung Sung-Jun/Getty ImagesWhatever your prediction for the big winner in this year’s Academy Awards race, the case to be made for each of the two front runners — The Social Network and The King’s Speech — breaks down in a fairly conventional way that almost anyone could agree on. The Social Network, of course, goes in with the momentum of having swept every single major Best Picture award, from critics’ groups to the Golden Globes, with an almost frightening authority. Offhand, I can’t think of the last time a movie really did that — it’s the definition of a juggernaut. The Social Network is also the hip, supersmart, brashly original, acclaimed-for-its-singular-vision choice, and the fact that it’s closing in on making $100 million gives all those qualities an added cachet: The picture stands as vital proof — to the world and to Hollywood — that a hip, supersmart, brashly original movie, one that consists of almost nothing but people sitting around in rooms talking, can still connect powerfully with a popular audience. Plus, David Fincher, with his up-from-grunge visual bravura, and Aaron Sorkin, with his up-from-quality-television verbal fireworks, represent two very different breeds of Hollywood veteran. They have both been around long enough, and wielded enough creative influence, for Academy voters to say, “It’s their time.”
But in this irresistible horse race, let us not underestimate (as EW’s Dave Karger surely hasn’t) the special qualities of The King’s Speech. It’s an impeccable and shrewdly moving middlebrow entertainment, far more stirring to a lot of people than The Social Network is. And, of course, it’s got that whole classy British period monarch thing going for it. The movie may be old-fashioned, but that’s exactly its appeal, and it is also, when you think about it, a rather fresh kind of prestige royal-court costume drama — not as distant in time as a Merchant Ivory teacup-rattler (it’s often more sooty than snooty), but set just long enough ago to tweak our nostalgia for the proud, stalwart, top-hat England that still carried itself with a whiff of empire. Those upper-crust accents have never ceased being catnip to a lot of the Academy, and with Harvey Weinstein now stalking the Oscar campaign trail in that way that, once upon a time, only he could do (and maybe still only he can), you only have to think back to the ’90s, to the era of The English Patient and Shakespeare in Love, to know that an Oscar race with Harvey pushing the glory of England is, in every way, a true contest.
Now, though, I’d like to focus in on one element that I think has been crucially under-discussed in this particular face-off. And that’s the zeitgeist factor. It doesn’t happen every time, but the movie that ends up winning the Academy Award for Best Picture often taps into and gives voice to something that’s happening in the culture at large. The connection can be explicitly topical, as it was last year when Hollywood honored The Hurt Locker for making a painful but thrillingly visceral statement about the experience of our soldiers in Iraq. Or it can be sort of pop-culture cosmic, as in 1997, when Titanic summed up a lot of very grand feelings about the technological promises and nightmares of the past 100 years. Coming out and sweeping the Oscars when it did, Titanic was very much a movie that paid tribute, and bid goodbye, to the 20th century (and, I think not coincidentally, to the spirit of misty-eyed innocent romance that had guided moviegoers for most of that epoch).
So how do The Social Network and The King’s Speech stack up on the zeitgeist scale? The Social Network, it’s clear, has the hypnotic hook of topicality going for it in a major way. It’s the first Hollywood movie to really capture the metaphysical spirit of the digital age — not just because it’s about the obviously timely and rather epic subject of how Facebook was created, but because of the way the film uses the personality of Mark Zuckerberg (or, at least, the movie’s Mark Zuckerberg, with his hooded wit, caustic brilliance, and tantalizingly elusive inner life) to mark an essential shift in how we communicate. The popularity of The Social Network and the wry, exhilarating relevance of it are two branches growing out of the same tree.
At this point, you’re probably expecting me to say that The King’s Speech, as spirited and touching and humane as it is, can’t compete with The Social Network as a movie that touches a chord of timely passion. You might even say that it’s not a fair fight, since The King’s Speech isn’t trying to touch that kind of chord. It’s a movie about one specific and often rather befuddled royal figurehead from over half a century ago and how he overcame the stutter that had bedeviled him since childhood. An inspiring tale, maybe even a timeless tale. But a tale that speaks to our time? It doesn’t look like one, and hardly needs to.
I would argue, however, that The King’s Speech is a movie that very much tries to speak to our time. And the reason that almost no one notices that about it is that the film’s timing is something of a just-miss; it’s resonant, yet crucially off. The journey that Colin Firth’s Duke of York undertakes, on his way to becoming King George VI, starts out as tormented and personal, and not really very political. He’s haunted by the choking-on-his-words debacle of that opening speech — the silence! The awful silence!! — and as he comes under the perky tutelage of Geoffrey Rush’s speech therapist/life counselor/working-class servant-companion, he comes to know himself as a man, and to face down the demons that put a roadblock between his thoughts and his tongue. At the culmination of his journey, the second movement of Beethoven’s 7th Symphony rises in its sorrowful rapture, and he finally finds his voice.
But since, as the king, he is merely a figurehead, and not really the architect of the British war effort during World War II (that would be Winston Churchill, played with a Spitting Image scowl by Timothy Spall), does his newfound ability to speak matter very much in the world at large? The movie makes the point, quite explicitly, that it does. It says that a king’s words, his ability to inspire people through the impassioned eloquence of his oratory, are a singular measure of his leadership.
But wait a minute: Does any of that sound familiar? Can you, off the top of your head, think of another leader who has been celebrated, venerated, lionized for his ability, in challenging times, to move people with his words? The King’s Speech, by the time it finally gets to…the king’s speech, has become an allegory for the age of Barack Obama. The Brits, of course, started out as hog wild about Obama, but back when the film was greenlit, I can’t claim to know what was going on in the heads of its screenwriter, David Seidler, or director, Tom Hooper. Yet movies work in a funny way. They catch waves in the culture that, at times, are almost unconscious.
The trouble is, the wave that The King’s Speech catches has slowly but surely begun to crash. It’s a movie that seems to have been timed for how a lot of people felt about Obama during the days when he was running for president. As he proved in his speech in Tuscon, Obama’s words can still move and unite us. But the romance of Obama the orator — and of words themselves as the political balm for what ails us — may be a story in America that no longer links up to where a great many people stand (even those of us who still support Obama avidly). The King’s Speech is about a tormented man who learns to speak. But it is also about a king who moves a nation with the kind of pretty words that few today can pretend will solve a nation’s problems. And that, I believe, takes a bit of the bloom off this Oscar rose.
What do you think? Is The King’s Speech a movie that connects with its time? Or does it even need to? Does it have enough “heart” to triumph over The Social Network‘s brain?








Oscars lost all credibility when they gave Shakespeare in Love the Best Picture Oscar. Also, Crash sucked.
Correct and correct.
The Social Network sucks. So over rated. Al hype and pr money. Unpleasant boring film
I don’t think it’s boring, it’s just that the characters are unrelatable. I’m the same age as the real-life Zuckerberg but I just couldn’t get into the movie.
I think King’s Speech was a better movie but just as long as Firth (and hopefully Rush) win, I’m fine with TSN winning Picture.
I actually like the Social Network, and in disagreement to jmo, I find that I can relate to the characters completely.
Social Network was GREAT. Sorry that “Harry Potter” or another dumbed down movie won’t win…lol
@helen You’re completely wrong about everything you just said. It doesn’t suck and it’s not overrated. The so called “hype” around the movie before it was released was all about how stupid it was to do a movie about facebook. Also, I hate to be one of these people but if you think The Social Network is boring then you probably want to stick with your Michael Bay movies. In my opinion I think either Inception or The Social Network should win Best Picture.
“..you probably want to stick with your Michael Bay movies.”
Isn’t it cute when people who know nothing about other peoples’ tastes try to insult them?
The Social Network is not a great film and it most certainly does not deserve all of the awards that it has received. People who think it’s the greatest movie of the year are bandwagoning pretentious morons. The best thing that it offers is the music. The acting is average and the story is too. People think that it should win because it’s a “generational film” which is a load of garbage.
I agree to a degree with “Some Guy.”
“The picture stands as vital proof — to the world and to Hollywood — that a hip, supersmart, brashly original movie, one that consists of almost nothing but people sitting around in rooms talking, can still connect powerfully with a popular audience.”
LOL. Have you ever heard of the “Show About Nothing”? People like “The Social Network” because it has as little substance as possible. It is enjoyable on that level, but it is really just fluff like “Chicago.”
TSN is about American greed. Remember, greed is good? They won’t give the Oscar to a British movie this year.
The Social Network is well written, acted, directed, etc, but rather formulaic. This is the type of movie Oscar loves to hand awards…loosely biopic, snappy dialogue. I am pulling for Inception, but I’m not holding my breath.
“People like “The Social Network” because it has as little substance as possible. It is enjoyable on that level, but it is really just fluff like “Chicago.” ” Wow, that is a burn if I ever heard one. TSN was practically a sequel to Zodiac, capturing perfectly the next generation right after the one that Zodiac captured. Both have the same style and pacing, both are masterpieces. I’m guessing you think Citizen Cane is just fluff too because it’s also a bunch of people just sitting around, talking, another “Show about nothing?”. So was Raging Bull, Dr Strangelove, All the President’s Men, TSN is also very original and striking in style, but I guess people are just getting bored of good cinema; they’re animals, what do you expect.
Colin Firth should have won the oscar last year for A Single Man. He was robbed
I agree…I love Jeff Bridges and thought he was great in “Crazy Heart”, but I was still rooting for Colin Firth to win.
AMEN!!
Agree! Loved Jeff in Crazy but Colin was better
Ditto that.
One of the best performances in a generation. Love Bridges, but come on.
I too love Jeff Bridges, but I could not agree more! Firth’s performance in A Single Man was extraordinary.
I quite enjoyed both so I must disagree. The Social Network was good but vastly over-hyped. Its no masterpiece, its not close to the best film I saw last year.
What’s wrong, bitter that Eclipse won’t get a nomination?
@Mark: You’re right. I remember giving a Twilight film a 10/10 on IMDb…oh wait, I never did. It got a 6. Shut up, quit whining, and look like a man.
Quoting: “The Social Network . . . goes in with the momentum of having swept every single major Best Picture award, from critics’ groups to the Golden Globes, with an almost frightening authority. . .I can’t think of the last time a movie really did that . . . ”.
@Owen, to begin with, Schindler’s List, my friend. Schindler’s List.
@Rolo Tomasi, I think Crash is a good film (B+ or so — IMO). But I understand why some people are still upset that it won supposedly over BBM (. . ., Munich, GN&GL, and Capote.).
Incorrect. Correct.
first of all, i think shakespear in love was brilliant. it’s easy for people who don’t know how a movie is made can write it off. but think for a second how extremely difficult it would e to make a movie, not an adaptation of a play, about shakespear that would apply and connect with a global audience. just because it was flouncy and romance driven doesn’t mean it didn’t earn what it got.
secondly: crash, although admit tried far to hard to have a moral, did an exquisite job of creating characters that were a recognizeable as they were complex. we all know or have met someone who is represented in that film at some level. that’s why it was unique. it wasn’t about teaching people to love each other, it was about recognizing that we’re all human and we can forgive ourselves and eachother. that’s why the academy fell in love with it.
do me a favor guy and skip the redbox trash and instead pickup a flick from the library. you might learn something about film.
Very interesting essay, although neither of these films is better than Winter’s Bone. I realize Winter’s Bone doesn’t have a shot, and I guess ultimately I hope The Social Network ultimately triumphs over The King’s Speech.
Well I hope the Kings speech wins. It has heart. The Social Network is souless.
Agree! Kings speech should win!
I totally disagree that Social Network is soulless. It’s not as stirring emotionally as King’s Speech, but it does a great job of showing the humanity and point of view of all of the different sides of the FB saga. As much as I enjoyed King’s Speech, I think Social Network is a better, and more important, film.
“The Social Network is souless.”
Exactly why I hope it doesn’t win. All of the characters (except Garfield’s part) were douchebags.
So does that mean that Glengarry Glen Ross is a worse movie than Patch Adams? Is “heart” really what makes a movie good?
@Mole: Glengarry Glen Ross was good because of Jack Lemmon’s character and the moral conflict. That’s why it’s still a good film. I don’t think people will keep watching TSN. King’s Speech OTOH will be one I wouldn’t mind rewatching.
Every time a movie does well at the box office or is widely regarded as a great movie there will be those who try and destroy that hype. It is very annoying that there are those who will refuse to acknowledge great work as a motive to strive to be an ultimate individual trashing a work so highly reguarded will do nothing and change nothing in the oscar race because sometimes the juggernaut film wins and there is no underdog triumph. That is what The King’s Speach is is the underdog that will not win Best Picture at the Academy Awards this year yet an equally deserving film and juggernaut in the race will in the Social Network.
@Sue Umm…that is kind of the point of the movie, albeit indirectly. As Owen stated, this movie presents how we communicate in the “digital-age”. Saying that the movie is soulless is a sort of reflection of the way we as a society communicate with each other, and of the state of being of our relationships.
Why Social Network is a great zeitgeist movie, Zuckerberg being Kubrick’s HAL with hoodie and f-you flip flops:
http://nilesfilmfiles.blogspot.com/2010/10/post-human-david-fincher-and-aaron.html
Can you tell me why you thought Winter’s Bone was great?
To whomever had the gall to say ‘Winter’s Bone’ deserves to be up for Best Picture?!? Sven, I have to assume didn’t see a minimum of 11 movies this past year.
Shakespeare Goes To Camp… pretty much defines “The Social Network” and “The King’s Speech”…both of which will be promptly forgotten (as they should be) a week after the Oscars. Call it tradition.
I have no idea what any of that means.
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Very interesting article, but I think this race comes down to what the Academy is going to vote for: I think the Academy is much more likely to vote for the traditional feel-good period piece than the snappily dialogued tech-fest. Therefore, I think The King’s Speech will pull an unlikely upset over The Social Network at the Oscars. But I’m biased because I disliked The Social Network intensely.
i don’t dislike the social network i just don’t think its oscar worthy pic with oscar worthy performances !
Did you see Jesse Eisenberg spit out those lines? I find it hard to believe a person is capable of repeating lines so fast, let alone with the deadpan wit and venom that he does. Him and Andrew Garfield couldn’t have played their parts better.
not true!they were decent actors and thats about it!decent movie with decent actors!and slightly boring during the second half!social network is wayyyyy overrated!
I Think Eisenberg gave a fantastic performance. He should not be underrated. Social Network wasn’t fabulous as a film though. I would like to see King’s Speech win best film and Eisenberg get the best actor award but I am almost sure Social Network will win film and Firth will win actor.
Exactly! Way back when it was released and everyone was, OMG, I thought huh? But, I don’t think The King’s Speech is Oscar worthy either. I’d rather have seen it on TV (BBCA). I’m not excited about any movie!
TKS did not make me “feel good” at all. All those uncomfortable drawn-out speach therapy scenes and unrelatable characters. I couldn’t relate any more with the people in TSN, but at least I walked out of that movie feeling good that I saw an exceptionally well-made movie with the best dialogue since maybe “Network.” TKS, despite its good high-pedigree acting, left me indifferent and was completely forgettable.
I wouldn’t say it was the best dialogue since “Network” (though really, nothing will ever come close to “Network”….)
huh really, i don’t see the connection with obama at all, nice way to make it political, and SN gets to be cultural yeah right! pfff…i’m hoping king speech will pull a coup d’etat on SN come oscar night, a la CRASH did to critic darling BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN watch and see!!!!
Yes but the difference is BOTH are critic darlings with serious chances of winning. I think its how close the race is that makes Social Network’s momentum with previous wins so important. I think come Oscar night, it will triumph over The King’s Speech.
Compared to TSN, TKS is hardly a critic darling. Just as an example, but not atypical, both EW critics listed TSN as the best film of the year and neither put TKS in their top 10.
Amazing analysis!
I haven’t seen The King’s Speech, but I adore The Social Network for all of the reasons stated above. I don’t think a movie more relevant to its time has ever entered the Oscar race.
I respect Firth, and I’m rooting for him to win Best Actor. I’m also hoping Hailee Steinfeld gets recognized for True Grit, because I thought she was outstanding. Other than that, I don’t care. Celebrities don’t interest me in the least.
It surprises me that Inception isn’t getting more awards-show attention. Is it because it confused some people? I thought it would have received more love.
It isn’t good enough, the effects were sometimes quite good though.
No. It is because Inception is a solidly crafted film that is all surface and shiny vistas and gee-wiz shots. The most over-hyped, over-thought, over-analyzed film of 2010, and the kind of film that somehow makes people think they are super-smart just because they insistently make up conspiracies, theories, backstories about a plot that was purposelly left vague.
Inception is a technical marvel that deserves Oscars for technical categories, but is nowhere near Oscar-calibert for acting, script, or overall content. In fact, if Nolan hadn’t been snubbed for the much better TDK, Inception wouldn’t have gotten any major Oscar nods.
Everything said here is exactly right, Inception is a movie meant to make the Iron Man and GI Joe crowd feel intelligent, if only for 2 hours.
Agreed. I thought it was great, but the ending felt very tacked-on and manipulative.
Andrew, I’d remind you of Lisa’s excellent post on the phrases “under” and “over” in film criticism. When you use them, you’re not really talking about the movie, you’re talking about people’s reaction to it.
FWIW, it’s not “good” is debatable. On Movie City New’s compilation it appeared on critics list very frequently, and many would contend that “Winter’s Bone” and “The Ghost Writer” are better than say “The Fighter” or “True Grit”, but they’re much more likely to score noms.
What a bunch of pseudo-intellectual contrarianism. Little hint: when the only way you can pretend to feel smarter than other people is to claim their taste and perception of the arts is low-brow, you’re a phony. Welcome to bandwagon intellectualism, which I guess is a nice parting gift in lieu of actual intellectualism for some.
Inception was popular and praised because it’s exceptional writing and filmmaking on more than just technical levels, however much some of you can only feel smarter if you pretend toward it through play acting your superiority.
Meanwhile, somewhere in the world there’s a guy with a book who refuses to own a computer because he’s not an empty-headed instant-gratification Internet user who thinks intelligent discourse can be found in anonymous sound bites in a socially disconnected imaginary world.
And he thinks online comment spaces with film debates just make you THINK you’re smart for a few minutes. Like a G.I. Joe movie, I guess.
So go ask your first year film school professor for some other better trite way to condescend to people so you can feel smart about movies.
For the record? “Inception” is about filmmaking, every character and element is a construct of film production. Even the score — that haunting, foreboding heavy rhythm that Zimmer came up with? Yeah, it’s the Edith Pilaf song, played at super-slow speed to mirror the time distortion of dreaming, because the dream concept represents (surprise! something to talk to your film professor about Monday!) the time distortion of film (ya know, the way the movie “48 Hours” was only really 2 hours!).
The film begins with the presentation of the man on the beach waking up from sleep, seeing two children playing with their mother on the beach, and then he goes back to sleep amid the waves. Then the story begins, a whole exploration of dreams as a metaphor for filmmaking, and even the man’s secret dream construct — the elevator of memories with his family, that Ellen Page sneaks into at one point? — has as the top highest level memory that scene at the beach. Because it’s Chris Nolan and his oft-mentioned interest in dreams, incorporating that woman and her kids at the beach into his dream, into this fantasy world filled with all the sorts of films he specifically has mentioned wanting to make and being interested in (Asian films, heist films, and even a Bond film).
DiCaprio is Chris Nolan, his interest in dreams reflects the different aspects of filmmaking and the types of films he’s always wanted to make, wrapped in his personal exploration of dreams and fantasies.
Water occasional washes into scenes, because he lays on that beach asleep in the surf dreaming. His name in the dream world, Cobb, is the name of the character in the very first film Nolan ever made — a thief who is followed around by a young writer trying to watch people and incorporate their lives into his writing. The other characters’ names all represent different relevant things as well, be it mythological or religious or otherwise related to storytelling or dreams.
Just because it had action in it, or because it’s by Nolan (a director that pseudo-intellectuals have decided to hate since they feel obligated to defend the ramparts of “true art” against the unwashed masses daring to suggest popular films appreciated by audiences could have true artistic value), or because it’s liked by people who also dare to enjoy a Batman film or whatever it is that so offends the delicate sensibilities of posers of artistic condescension, or just because you didn’t pay enough attention to notice the levels of expressionism and storytelling, doesn’t mean it’s not a great film that is worthy of the praise it’s received.
Was it the best film of the year? My vote would go to “Black Swan,” “The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo,” (I know, I know, adapted from a book with mass appeal, so it can’t be real art I guess…), or “The King’s Speech” I guess. But I respect those who support “Inception” for the nod.
I suspect “The Social Network” lacks appeal to some people simply because it doesn’t speak to their life experiences or generation, so it is perhaps harder to pick up on elements of writing, acting, sequencing, themes and emotions, etc that are told in a very different context than we are all used to seeing in film.
But TSN is resonating with audiences and a lot of critics for a reason, and it’s not just hype. The story of this film is a story of things that have changed the world, that shape our daily lives now, and look at how simple and almost trivial it began. That the personalities involved were not only so ordinary in many ways but in fact even unrelatable is important when you think about the nature of this thing they created, which is all about relating and exposing ourselves to the world and connecting with others. The film speaks to that juxtaposing of the creators and their creation, while also speaking to how the degree of “connection” through technology might be a mirage, or at least as shallow and ill-defined as the creators themselves and their own relationships, their own “social network.”
While Inception was very entertaining and well acted, the story wasn’t all that strong. The concept of Inception was what attracted people, the idea of the multiple layers of consciousness, but the plot of the movie was much weaker. Did most people come away from the movie talking about Leo not getting reunited with his children or whether or not the top was still spinning? Probably the latter, which is why it won’t get recognized as much as these other, incredibly well-acted films.
Inception was indeed well-written, well-directed, and had some really great special effects. It was also a box-office giant, i believe. but what it lacks is a message and artistry. it’s not academy award material, unfortunately. i loved the movie too and i am hoping that it will take home most of the technical awards.
Stuffiness and artistry are not the same thing. I think the visual sleekness and music add up to a sort of artistry. According to m-w.com, art is defined as ” the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects.”
I think it takes a lot of that to imagine the world and rules Nolan did and to put them together.
It’s important to distinguish WHAT IS and WHAT SHOULD BE. “Inception” is decidedly not an Oscar Style movie–it’s science fiction, and action, two genres that are frequently unrewarding. Voters are often older, and it appeals more to young people. It’s also not particularly emotion, in many eyes, which could be construed as a deficit to this group. Finally, a lot of these voters watch movies on screeners and “Inception” works a lot better on the big, compared to the small screen.
One can make the case that it’s just a special effects bonanza, but one could argue (I would) it does take imagination to create the rules of the world and whatnot (e.g. dreams within dreams, limbo). It takes vision to put it all together.
How does it represent Obama when the film is made by British filmmakers about Britain?
Very interesting debate. However, I don’t think you can necessarily argue that ‘The King’s Speech’ is lacking timeliness. You hear a lot of stories about the British royals nowadays (especially with William and Kate’s wedding approaching) and how people wonder why Britain even has a monarchy – they don’t do anything except stand as a figurehead! In the film, Colin Firth’s character even goes off on a rant about why it’s his voice the people have to hear. He talks about how he’s not the one going to war, so why should he have to speak?
I don’t think they were arguing that the movie lacked timeliness.
Actually, he kind of was. Re-read the article. Owen said, “It doesn’t happen every time, but the movie that ends up winning the Academy Award for Best Picture often taps into and gives voice to something that’s happening in the culture at large.” By that, he was referring to ‘The Social Network’. When it comes to that versus ‘The King’s Speech’, I think timeliness should be taken out of the equation.
I disagree. Generally, unless there is something SO good that it cannot be ignored, the film that features people overcoming long odds only to triumph in the end is usually the Best Picture winner. ESPECIALLY if it’s a costume drama. ‘The King’s Speech’ has all that, and ‘The Social Network’ does not.
Also, you have to consider who the Academy voters are. To them, Facebook is something they hear about on the news and something their kids or grandkids play around with. Will they vote for that ‘internet’ movie? Doubtful…it’s not something they can get brains around.
just my opinion..
many people confuse the academy of motion picture arts and sciences with a group of old men who made black and white films 50 years ago. this is wrong. the academy consists of various branches (actors, directors, music, sound, visuals, etc). each branch votes for the category within their own profession. among the acting branch are some very young and famous actors, such as amy adams, will smith, keira knightley, steve carrell, jennifer aniston, etc. i can insure you that many of them will vote for that “internet” movie. i can also insure you that many of them can get their brains around the internet and a movie involving the internet. most of them work with computers daily. some do for a living, looking at the visual and sound effects category.
Membership in the Academy is by invitation only, so effectively, becoming an Academy member means you have to have been nominated or worked on a project that has. I can assure you that Academy members, who (according to the Hollywood Reporter) have an average age of 57, are not by and large very young or indeed very famous; many more non-actors win Academy awards than actors. They are people who have spent YEARS (decades even) working in their respective trades. The Academy is not a Entertainment Tonight “Who’s Who in Hollywood” list of young and hip movie stars. It’s an organization of established industry professionals who have been making movies since before the internet (and LONG before Facebook) even existed.
The academy voters are a wide array of people young and old I’m pretty sure the majority of them use facebook. Gaboury Sidibe from Precious is on the academy.
Sidibe is on the Academy because she was nominated. If she hadn’t been nominated, she would very likely not be a member. Having a SAG card doesn’t get you in.
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about 80% of Facebook users are under 40. The average age of the Academy member is 57. Do the math…
UncleWalty you have got to be one of the stupidest people on line do your research. Go to the Academy’s webpage and you will see Ryan, Gosling, Keira Knightley, Will Smith, Steve Carell, Quentin Tarantino, and Sofia Coppola just to name a few are all on the Academy. Also, why do you assume older people don’t use facebook. My wife’s grandmother is 87 and has a facebook she checks regularly.
Ryan Gosling, Keira Knightley, Will Smith, Quentin Tarantino, and Sofia Coppola have all been nominated for an Academy award…they invited to join because of that. Steve Carell likely got in on the strength of his association with Little Miss Sunshine. As I said in my post above, you get invited if you get nominated or if you’ve made a contribution. Why you have bothered to point out to me that which I already know is somewhat vexing.
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Your wife’s grandmother is HARDLY representative of the rest of the United States.
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those 6 members of the Academy you named must have some pretty heavy influence, inasmuch as there 5500 members
Alex, your comment is simply immature. Should we call you “stupid” for not being able to understand UncleWalty’s point that, yes, however much you may not want to admit it the fact is that the average age of Academy members is 57. That’s a fact. Period. Just because you can name some young members doesn’t “disprove” the facts on this, Alex, and if you think it does, then it’s a bit apparent who is lacking in their “research skills” kiddo.
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In addition, UncleWalt noted the average age of Facebook users is 40, he never said older people “don’t use” Facebook. If you cannot understand the difference between “most people using Facebook are younger than the average age of most members of the Academy” then you really shouldn’t even be trying to discuss these things online.
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The typical tendency to call things “stupid” if you just don’t like what they say, regardless of whether or not it’s true or factual, and regardless of how little you know about any of it, is just absurd immature behavior.
It doesn’t matter which film we do or don’t prefer or like etc, the point UncleWalty was making is simply about the history of Academy voting, which tends to favor certain kinds of films and story arcs and types of films. Yes, there are times when the winner bucks the usual “rule” of what kind of movie wins, but the question is whether you bet on the exception to the rule, or the rule. The rule is the rule because it’s the most common, and thus most likely to happen in Academy voting. The odds favor the rule, not the exception to the rule. This is simple math, a kid in elementary school could understand it, but obviously a kid in elementary school might resent the way math works if it means their preference is being called an “exception to the rule.” But lashing out at how math and trends work is indeed for children, and has no place in intelligent, rational discussion about these things. So grow up, Alex.
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It will probably come down to two things: (a) which film the Academy is most inspired by, or (b) which film the Academy feels it “needs” to award. The former is the “rule” and the latter the “exception” — the exception tends to kick in when the Academy thinks it needs to make a point (by awarding or denying a film/filmmaker/issue) or when it feels it needs to project a certain image of itself (in this case, potentially wanting to look in the mirror and feel more ‘hip’ and not irrelevant and outdated etc as so many articles and online young ranters tend to accuse the Academy of being, for example).
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If the Academy is most motivated this year by their sense of needing to recognize a social trend and prop up their own personal sense of their “coolness” and modernity and relevance, then “The Social Network” will win. Otherwise, “The King’s Speech” will win.
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I don’t mean this to imply the films can’t win based on merit — both have merit, and either one could be said to deserve the award for different or equal reasons. But just speaking in terms of how the Academy tends to make the final decision between two big, strong contenders that are so different from one another, it will come down to things only vaguely related to the films themselves and more related to the industry’s sense of self.
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It is true, by the way, that the largest voting block in the Academy is SAG members, and that the SAG is become on average younger, so in a few years the average age of the Academy will start to drop some, probably to around 45-50. But for now, this year, it is what it is, and anyone ignoring these facts simply because it doesn’t serve their own personal wish-fulfillment is just being silly. You can like and prefer whatever film you want, that’s not what this is about. It’s about the odds and how the Academy is most likely to vote, and some of you should stop acting so rude and childish toward other people, and stop your constant insulting and/or condescending claims about other people’s intelligence. Especially since it has tended to reflect more on yourselves than on those you’re trying to insult.
I’ve seen both and preferred Kings Speech. Even besides Colin Firth’s performance it is a masterpiece. I also know many people who’ve seen TSN and didn’t like it, but everyone loves Kings Speech. If the themes of Kings Speech, most notably to me anyway of friendship, loyalty, trust and the effects of child abuse aren’t of “our time” than we’re all screwed. Re Inception, hated it besides the sp. effects. Storyline lost me and bored me to death after a while. Felt over-indulgent, way too convoluted.
You’re obviously a simpleton.
The kings speech was boring as hell! I left the theater within the first hour. The social network is more relatable than a boring english drama.
loved the king’s speech. and obama can bring the nation together, as he did with the speech in Arizona. keeping politics out of it, the king’s speech was the better movie, imo.
I’m rooting for The King’s Speech to win. I’m relying on the Academy’s well known fuddy duddiness to pull the upset. I really hated The Social Network despite my worship of Aaron Sorkin. In the end though, as long as Colin Firth wins Best Actor, I’ll be happy. He was ROBBED last year.
How can you hate TSN and worship Sorkin?
Yes, Firth was robbed LAST year. But don’t give him an Oscar the next as a consolation prize.
@mike: You must not have seen The King’s Speech yet, if you believe that giving Firth the Oscar this year is a “consolation prize”. His performance is Oscar-worthy, and certainly blows away the competition this year.
As for the Best Picture: as an IT professional, I was very keen to see The Social Network and, although I did thing it was “good”, I didn’t find it “exceptional”, really. I didn’t think it was as moving as The King’s Speech. I do hope The King’s Speech takes Best Picture – I think it is far more of a “timeless classic” than The Social Network, which will age very quickly.
I will probably get attacked for saying this, but The Social Network disappointed me. The acting and the dialogue were good, and the inaccuracies didn’t bother me as much as I thought, but I think it is overrated. I mean, one critic called it the next Citizen Kane (my favorite film ever). It’s not even my favorite David Fincher film (that would still be Seven)
Where’s the ‘Machete’ love – more heart than soulless brits (but boy they can act! and those accents – to die for, I tell ya!) affectedly miming inconsequential historical factoids or soulless college rich kids squabbling over intellectual rights.
Machete!!!!
Ok, actually Inception – the movie you WILL see repeatedly.